no i mean...we know why this is happening at least otome-san said they're doing this to save people from this world so we at least know the world itself is the problem so wouldn't the idea then to be finding a way to change the world from taking what's ours and replacing it with wiwaldi memories?
maybe not but what makes you think that that person also isn't doing it to try and help or for a greater reason than "just because" it's been over a month now, i think we can kind of safely say none of you are evil enough to kill just because you can. i think maybe after this started, when we were all brought here, one of you was assigned a job to make some of us kill other people in order to try and salvage things maybe i'm wrong i don't know
Even with good intentions, if you know it'll hurt someone, then you have to take responsibility. It doesn't have to be condemnation, but you must face your consequences. Does knowing the possible motive ease your grief?
ok i think knowing the possible motive makes it easier for me to understand because i've been there and done that i understand accepting responsibility and consequences and it's why i want to help them just as much as i want to help everyone else it doesn't sound like they really have much of a choice, even if i do think consequences shouldn't be forgotten i don't think anything is going to really ease my grief for years because it's not just grief for the people who are being killed, it's the people being put in these stupid situations too
i'm trying to put together the information we have buy documents from riku, whatever but the root cause right now is just "jilted producers with a cancelled tv show" and that doesn't sound right i want to find the root cause i just also want to know if those people will also be okay when we do find it, especially since people can apparently be punished for us interfering too much
Do you know what both groups received on Thursday? I've only seen one so far. It may help if things proceed as a group. It was likely a simple enough matter to punish Otome for a transgression, but I doubt they can easily do the same for all of us at once. Not because anything stops them physically, but because it probably doesn't serve any purpose for all of us to be dead.
i only saw half from the group that went to the moon (maya, nier, leo, tsuyukusa) did you see the other half or the same half? i agree though a group would be best but i don't know how to make people trust each other enough to do that ...do you think otome-san was punished because she told all of us in a group? maybe if she or the others told us one at a time and we started sharing into that way, or shoving papers in lockers like other people are doing, that would work?
I saw Maya's. That'd only work if we were positive that this happened because she told too many at once. In the case that it was because the world hadn't even been aware of her motivations until then, then I suspect that having the info spread like that would still incite a similar response.
if i get the other half anytime soon i'll shove a note in your locker but okay, like...the problem we're running into then is we really don't even have a way to test it without possibly killing somebody else otome-san seemed to imply she knew there would be a punishment if she didn't go around killing people but the punishment for saying something surprised her too ...if you have any idea on how to make the world stop listening in and be sentient, i'm open to them
I don't have any. So, I would say that the solution isn't to test anything out, but to decide when we're confident that we have what we need to win and have resolved ourselves to face any consequences that may occur.
at this rate, the only thing i can even be confident in is the idea that the dead will be able to grab something from the administration office and maybe let us in if they're the only ones who can change our files or whatever... ...i mean. what the hell are we doing here?
It might be best not to limit yourself to major assumptions like that just yet. As soon as you decide that something can only be done by someone else, you close your eyes to other possibilities.
...i know you're right. i'm trying to do everything i can but it just feels like we keep crashing right into problems with no solutions yet but...the only thing i'm certain of right now is that it's us against this world so we need to find out what this world wants from us ...has anyone told you about the circumstances with sieghart's murder? like what the culprit believed that drove them to killing him
i think it feels a little familiar there are some entities that want to try to protect their worlds and will do anything for the sake of "harmony" i don't know why we're here. i'm still trying to understand that but i'm also trying to decide if we were brought here to combat something else in this world or what
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otome-san said they're doing this to save people from this world
so we at least know the world itself is the problem
so wouldn't the idea then to be finding a way to change the world from taking what's ours and replacing it with wiwaldi memories?
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is it possible that one of the dorm heads is working with the group who's trying to save everybody?
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it's too precise
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Another reason it's probably best not to trust us, then.
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but what makes you think that that person also isn't doing it to try and help
or for a greater reason than "just because"
it's been over a month now, i think we can kind of safely say none of you are evil enough to kill just because you can.
i think maybe after this started, when we were all brought here, one of you was assigned a job to make some of us kill other people in order to try and salvage things
maybe i'm wrong
i don't know
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Does knowing the possible motive ease your grief?
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i think knowing the possible motive makes it easier for me to understand because i've been there and done that
i understand accepting responsibility and consequences
and it's why i want to help them just as much as i want to help everyone else
it doesn't sound like they really have much of a choice, even if i do think consequences shouldn't be forgotten
i don't think anything is going to really ease my grief for years because it's not just grief for the people who are being killed, it's the people being put in these stupid situations too
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Find out the root cause.
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buy documents from riku, whatever
but the root cause right now is just "jilted producers with a cancelled tv show" and that doesn't sound right
i want to find the root cause
i just also want to know if those people will also be okay when we do find it, especially since people can apparently be punished for us interfering too much
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It may help if things proceed as a group. It was likely a simple enough matter to punish Otome for a transgression, but I doubt they can easily do the same for all of us at once. Not because anything stops them physically, but because it probably doesn't serve any purpose for all of us to be dead.
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did you see the other half or the same half?
i agree though
a group would be best but i don't know how to make people trust each other enough to do that
...do you think otome-san was punished because she told all of us in a group?
maybe if she or the others told us one at a time and we started sharing into that way, or shoving papers in lockers like other people are doing, that would work?
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That'd only work if we were positive that this happened because she told too many at once. In the case that it was because the world hadn't even been aware of her motivations until then, then I suspect that having the info spread like that would still incite a similar response.
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but okay, like...the problem we're running into then is we really don't even have a way to test it without possibly killing somebody else
otome-san seemed to imply she knew there would be a punishment if she didn't go around killing people
but the punishment for saying something surprised her too
...if you have any idea on how to make the world stop listening in and be sentient, i'm open to them
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So, I would say that the solution isn't to test anything out, but to decide when we're confident that we have what we need to win and have resolved ourselves to face any consequences that may occur.
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and maybe let us in
if they're the only ones who can change our files or whatever...
...i mean. what the hell are we doing here?
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As soon as you decide that something can only be done by someone else, you close your eyes to other possibilities.
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i'm trying to do everything i can but it just feels like we keep crashing right into problems with no solutions yet
but...the only thing i'm certain of right now is that it's us against this world
so we need to find out what this world wants from us
...has anyone told you about the circumstances with sieghart's murder? like what the culprit believed that drove them to killing him
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just that they woke up on thursday and felt like they had to kill sieghart specifically in order to fix this world
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there are some entities that want to try to protect their worlds and will do anything for the sake of "harmony"
i don't know why we're here. i'm still trying to understand that
but i'm also trying to decide if we were brought here to combat something else in this world or what
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